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raditz · 10-31-2008, 11:44 PM

Raub, I know you're upset because you hate Bush and you realize that Obama isn't the good guy in this race, but chill a bit

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism - Obama loves it.

"As for Ayers, like Obama said, he was 8 god damn years old when he did that shit"

That's nice. It doesn't change the fact that Obama was in his 30's when he met Ayers. Obama was an adult, reading Ayers books, serving on boards with him, and even launching his political campaign from Ayers home. How can Barack fight the war on terror when he's having coffee with a terrorist? To overlook this would be turning a blind eye on Obama being influenced by the radicalists he's surrounded himself with. Ayers is just one. Right now theh L.A. Times is holding onto a tape of Obama speaking about his friendship with Rashid Khalidi.

Mr Biglesworth · 11-01-2008, 09:58 AM

The whole Khalidi thing is bullshit. People wouldn't hesitate today to admit that they supported the anti-apartheid movement against the government of South Africa (a liberation movement which combined political action with military action), but in the USA it's the biggest taboo to support the Palestinian liberation movement today. I don't expect everyone to agree on this issue, but it's a hallmark of a totalitarian society when people are unable to voice dissent about world affairs without being labeled a terrorist. I believe in the high ideals of a free nation which you speak about raditz, but freedom is not served in such a dangerously anti-intellectual climate.

raublekick · 11-01-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by raditz

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism - Obama loves it.

Yeah that's pretty incomplete. Socialism is when the government runs the production AND distribution of wealth. But that's only the economic side. Even just looking at that aspect, we are nowhere close to that. Regulating and taxing corporations is a means to protect the people, not a means to pulls all corporations together to create one government run corporation. Things like federal healthcare are a means to provide a base amount of care to all people, not to destroy all competition.

Here is what I think is fundamentally wrong with the arguments against nationalized services and regulations:
1. Money is not the most important thing. Food, shelter, education, and care are much more important. What the right is doing is proposing that we put an individual's wealth as the means to get these more important things, but with a great divide between the upper, middle, and lower classes, some people get royally screwed by this. With our focus on individual wealth instead of societal wealth, our country cannot grow. If you live in a major city, you have probably seen homeless people, drug dealers, and thugs. These people are a burden on everyone, and it is in the best interest of everyone who lives in the city to see less of them. Putting more wealth in the individual will not get rid of these problems, and nor will it prevent them in the future. Creating worthwhile social programs may not get rid of them now, but with better public education and better opportunity these problems can be decreased in the long run, and that is in the best interest of everyone.

2. Corporations are not people. I don't know why everyone feels the need to defend corporate rights as the rights of an individual when it comes to taxation and regulation. Regulations protect the REAL PEOPLE who are employed by the corporations and who rely on corporate services. Deregulation only opens more opportunity for the corporate fucking-over of the small guy. How many "Joe Sixpacks" got screwed over by Enron, which was caused by a handful of people? How many "Joe the Plumbers" are being screwed by AIG while AIG is throwing extravagant parties on government bailout money? How many people are screwed daily by drug companies who are allowed patents on drugs, eliminating competition and allowing inflated prices?

A government with its mind on the well being of the people is much better than one with its mind on the well being of corporations, in my opinion. Trickle down effect be-damned, people are greedy, especially once they get to the top, and there's too many people that need more than just a few drops from that trickle.

raditz · 11-03-2008, 05:24 PM

Well tomorrow's the big day.

I hope anybody voting for Obama is comfortable with somebody who:

Has always voted to raise taxes when he could.

Wants to add more taxes by his socialistic "spread the wealth" plans and socializing health care. Also wants to raise taxes on oil companies, in turn raising the prices at the pump. Also admits wanting to eradicate the coal industry by taxing them. This is our number one way of producing energy. Not only would it cost millions of Americans jobs, it would hurt your pocket. *pennsylvania, among many other states would suffer*
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-...on-energy.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScsCB...eature=related

Has another radical friend popping up every time he turns around.

Has the absolute least experience of anybody that's been involved in this election. His only claim to experience is being a community organizer. (at least Hillary knew her way around the White House kitchen /zing!)

Claims to be a unifier but he's the most liberal senator in history and is constantly making remarks like these.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DdLX3aRNaNk
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_rZKga-ZMMw
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxXUufI3jA (that's right raub, he thinks ppl in penn are idiots)

Has already broken promises. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...ama/index.html

Has a horrible attitude towards the military -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrW4fOGIMVY
http://griffinroomblog.blogspot.com/...unding-of.html

Has a naive view of the world around him

http://townhall.com/Columnists/Amand...a_tiny_country

This man is completely unfit to be president or even a nominee.

raublekick · 11-03-2008, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raditz

Well tomorrow's the big day.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxXUufI3jA (that's right raub, he thinks ppl in penn are idiots)

As someone who has lived in a small PA town for his entire life, I can assure you that he's pretty much on the mark there...

raditz · 11-05-2008, 04:53 PM

based on things that have slithered out of obama's grapish lips we are in for:

loss of freedom of speech

loss of the right to bear arms

reduction of the military and it's funding

loss of funding for defense

increased taxes for small business owners

increased taxes for oil companies

increased taxes on coal mining - so much so that he literally said he wanted to bankrupt the industry

increased energy bills

increased taxes so you can pay for your neighbors health problems

illegal immigrants with drivers licenses

a poor foreign policy which is nothing but bad news for our allies

a loss of the american dream where success is going to be punished, taking your money away and giving it to those who have been irresponsible

with all that said, you can now gloat about your awesome candidate taking the white house. thanks.

10-31-2008, 11:44 PM	#1
raditz Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 201	Raub, I know you're upset because you hate Bush and you realize that Obama isn't the good guy in this race, but chill a bit http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism - Obama loves it. "As for Ayers, like Obama said, he was 8 god damn years old when he did that shit" That's nice. It doesn't change the fact that Obama was in his 30's when he met Ayers. Obama was an adult, reading Ayers books, serving on boards with him, and even launching his political campaign from Ayers home. How can Barack fight the war on terror when he's having coffee with a terrorist? To overlook this would be turning a blind eye on Obama being influenced by the radicalists he's surrounded himself with. Ayers is just one. Right now theh L.A. Times is holding onto a tape of Obama speaking about his friendship with Rashid Khalidi.

11-01-2008, 09:58 AM	#2
Mr Biglesworth Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: I live in London Posts: 862	The whole Khalidi thing is bullshit. People wouldn't hesitate today to admit that they supported the anti-apartheid movement against the government of South Africa (a liberation movement which combined political action with military action), but in the USA it's the biggest taboo to support the Palestinian liberation movement today. I don't expect everyone to agree on this issue, but it's a hallmark of a totalitarian society when people are unable to voice dissent about world affairs without being labeled a terrorist. I believe in the high ideals of a free nation which you speak about raditz, but freedom is not served in such a dangerously anti-intellectual climate.

11-03-2008, 05:24 PM	#4
raditz Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 201	Well tomorrow's the big day. I hope anybody voting for Obama is comfortable with somebody who: Has always voted to raise taxes when he could. Wants to add more taxes by his socialistic "spread the wealth" plans and socializing health care. Also wants to raise taxes on oil companies, in turn raising the prices at the pump. Also admits wanting to eradicate the coal industry by taxing them. This is our number one way of producing energy. Not only would it cost millions of Americans jobs, it would hurt your pocket. pennsylvania, among many other states would suffer http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-...on-energy.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScsCB...eature=related Has another radical friend popping up every time he turns around. Has the absolute least experience of anybody that's been involved in this election. His only claim to experience is being a community organizer. (at least Hillary knew her way around the White House kitchen /zing!) Claims to be a unifier but he's the most liberal senator in history and is constantly making remarks like these. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DdLX3aRNaNk http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_rZKga-ZMMw http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxXUufI3jA (that's right raub, he thinks ppl in penn are idiots) Has already broken promises. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...ama/index.html Has a horrible attitude towards the military - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrW4fOGIMVY http://griffinroomblog.blogspot.com/...unding-of.html Has a naive view of the world around him http://townhall.com/Columnists/Amand...a_tiny_country This man is completely unfit to be president or even a nominee.

11-05-2008, 04:53 PM	#6
raditz Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 201	based on things that have slithered out of obama's grapish lips we are in for: loss of freedom of speech loss of the right to bear arms reduction of the military and it's funding loss of funding for defense increased taxes for small business owners increased taxes for oil companies increased taxes on coal mining - so much so that he literally said he wanted to bankrupt the industry increased energy bills increased taxes so you can pay for your neighbors health problems illegal immigrants with drivers licenses a poor foreign policy which is nothing but bad news for our allies a loss of the american dream where success is going to be punished, taking your money away and giving it to those who have been irresponsible with all that said, you can now gloat about your awesome candidate taking the white house. thanks.