Current economic woes - Page 3

raublekick · 06-02-2008, 05:49 PM

On the wildlife habitats issue, none of us were around when other oil fields were drilled, so we can't really be for or against the drilling there. It's already been done. Plus most of the oil comes from the middle east in desert regions where there is a minimal habitat, so, in comparison to a lush environment like Alaska, it's not quite the same.

Are you serious about the "not = using more" thing? Already people are cutting back little by little because of gas prices. Cheap oil may not exactly mean using more directly, but it certainly would cause plenty of complacency. If we're paying $1 / gal right now, what reason is there to develop alternatives? I think the past 30 or so years of U.S. economic history agrees with me here.

raublekick · 06-03-2008, 10:51 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/ptech/0....ap/index.html

Neil Young knows what's up.

Liss · 06-09-2008, 10:31 AM

Paid 4.54 for regular yesterday. Cheapest I could find. What was with the leap? Our gas went from 4.17 to 4.43 in two days, and has continued to go up a few cents each day. Is that everyone or just Los Angeles?

Liss · 06-09-2008, 10:34 AM

Oh, and Amelia, I'm glad to hear you're doing alright budget-wise, because that's the issue making me most nervous about moving. The good thing for me, though, is that Spain has supposedly kept their prices reasonable despite the high cost of the UK. If I get the job I'm after I'll be paid in euros and I'll be able to supplement my income too, of course I just won't ever return to the states with any money. :

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heX · 06-10-2008, 09:50 AM

the gas station across the street from me was selling gas for .99 from 7-10am. I found otu and got in line at 7:19, I know this becuase of time stamps on my phone. Due to line jumpers, fender benerds and fights, I got to the gas station exactly at 10:00 to see the prices flip from .99 to 4.12 ...son of a

thecreeper · 06-10-2008, 11:52 PM

wow...why would they sell gas that cheap? to make people hurt each other?

heX · 06-13-2008, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecreeper

wow...why would they sell gas that cheap? to make people hurt each other?

probably so they could record the insanity and market as a ppv

GT2000 · 06-19-2008, 07:55 PM

It's really steadied out lately.. been anywhere between 3.70 and 3.95 here for the past month +. Still fucking blows.

thecreeper · 06-23-2008, 04:59 PM

i'm really tired of treading water with my finances lately. i get by, but if it was 2 years ago and i was making the same amount of money right now, i'd be in a lot better shape.

GT2000 · 06-30-2008, 08:37 PM

We still haven't cracked $4/gal around here as an overall average, but it's coming pretty fucking close, it makes me angry. And there's honestly nothing that I can personally do about the gas that we have to buy and use right now.

Mike · 07-10-2008, 08:08 PM

Of course, as the perpetual contrived optimist... When people complain too much about gas prices, like when at work or whatever, I'm quick to put it into context. For the first time in human history, roughly 10,000 years of history properly understood, all manner of people in fourth most populated country in the world are able to travel hundreds of miles without puting much thought into it. If any of us wanted to, really, tomorrow, or two weeks from now, or a month from today, we could drive 500 miles... for no reason. In the anals of human history, prior to just a generation before ours, the average person in the most prosperous country in the world would rarely travel outside his own locality in his life time. Prior to that, only the wealthiest and most affluent people in the Earth could travel anywhere ... and even then, it was a several week or month journey where the odds of you losing your life were relatively high.

I still think it's a major shock to the collective human psyche if such a thing exists..

Mike · 07-10-2008, 08:21 PM

Drilling in Alaska, though, is not the solution. We have to accept more changes and deregulate the industry. We have to drop silly myths about oil companies and government, get rid of the idea of "windfall taxes," drain our strategic oil reserve, tap ANWR, drop sulfur restrictions, end energy-based grain subsidies, begin drilling for shale oil (which has been economically viable since gas hit the $2.80+/- mark) drop food exporting tarifs/limits, and stop letting our emotions get the better of our economic sense.

heX · 07-11-2008, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike

Drilling in Alaska, though, is not the solution. We have to accept more changes and deregulate the industry. We have to drop silly myths about oil companies and government, get rid of the idea of "windfall taxes," drain our strategic oil reserve, tap ANWR, drop sulfur restrictions, end energy-based grain subsidies, begin drilling for shale oil (which has been economically viable since gas hit the $2.80+/- mark) drop food exporting tarifs/limits, and stop letting our emotions get the better of our economic sense.

Not disagreeing that other options come first, I still don't see a 'good' reason to not drill Alaska if we needed to. Hey, if it doesn't need to be done, don't do it, but I also wouldn't put it on the 'do not touch' list.

I'm not disagreeing with your statement, just wanted to add my disclaimer for future debate should it arise.

edit: and good to see you around.

06-02-2008, 05:49 PM	#1
raublekick Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lancastuh, PA Posts: 1,678	On the wildlife habitats issue, none of us were around when other oil fields were drilled, so we can't really be for or against the drilling there. It's already been done. Plus most of the oil comes from the middle east in desert regions where there is a minimal habitat, so, in comparison to a lush environment like Alaska, it's not quite the same. Are you serious about the "not = using more" thing? Already people are cutting back little by little because of gas prices. Cheap oil may not exactly mean using more directly, but it certainly would cause plenty of complacency. If we're paying $1 / gal right now, what reason is there to develop alternatives? I think the past 30 or so years of U.S. economic history agrees with me here. __________________ http://www.good-evil.net slap that bitch, sell her coke

06-03-2008, 10:51 AM	#2
raublekick Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lancastuh, PA Posts: 1,678	http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/ptech/0....ap/index.html Neil Young knows what's up. __________________ http://www.good-evil.net slap that bitch, sell her coke

06-09-2008, 10:34 AM	#4
Liss hex can see my boobs Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 749	Oh, and Amelia, I'm glad to hear you're doing alright budget-wise, because that's the issue making me most nervous about moving. The good thing for me, though, is that Spain has supposedly kept their prices reasonable despite the high cost of the UK. If I get the job I'm after I'll be paid in euros and I'll be able to supplement my income too, of course I just won't ever return to the states with any money. ::

06-10-2008, 11:52 PM	#6
thecreeper Administrator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 2,330	wow...why would they sell gas that cheap? to make people hurt each other? __________________ good-evil.net - ahh, wade boggs...goes down smooth.

06-19-2008, 07:55 PM	#8
GT2000 Playing God @ Your Xpense Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Va Beach, Va Posts: 2,040	It's really steadied out lately.. been anywhere between 3.70 and 3.95 here for the past month +. Still fucking blows. __________________ Hop in, strap down, and hold on tight.

06-09-2008, 10:31 AM	#3
Liss hex can see my boobs Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 749	Paid 4.54 for regular yesterday. Cheapest I could find. What was with the leap? Our gas went from 4.17 to 4.43 in two days, and has continued to go up a few cents each day. Is that everyone or just Los Angeles?

06-10-2008, 09:50 AM	#5
heX Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 937	the gas station across the street from me was selling gas for .99 from 7-10am. I found otu and got in line at 7:19, I know this becuase of time stamps on my phone. Due to line jumpers, fender benerds and fights, I got to the gas station exactly at 10:00 to see the prices flip from .99 to 4.12 ...son of a

06-23-2008, 04:59 PM	#9
thecreeper Administrator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 2,330	i'm really tired of treading water with my finances lately. i get by, but if it was 2 years ago and i was making the same amount of money right now, i'd be in a lot better shape. __________________ good-evil.net - ahh, wade boggs...goes down smooth.

06-30-2008, 08:37 PM	#10
GT2000 Playing God @ Your Xpense Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Va Beach, Va Posts: 2,040	We still haven't cracked $4/gal around here as an overall average, but it's coming pretty fucking close, it makes me angry. And there's honestly nothing that I can personally do about the gas that we have to buy and use right now. __________________ Hop in, strap down, and hold on tight.

07-10-2008, 08:08 PM	#11
Mike Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 489	Of course, as the perpetual contrived optimist... When people complain too much about gas prices, like when at work or whatever, I'm quick to put it into context. For the first time in human history, roughly 10,000 years of history properly understood, all manner of people in fourth most populated country in the world are able to travel hundreds of miles without puting much thought into it. If any of us wanted to, really, tomorrow, or two weeks from now, or a month from today, we could drive 500 miles... for no reason. In the anals of human history, prior to just a generation before ours, the average person in the most prosperous country in the world would rarely travel outside his own locality in his life time. Prior to that, only the wealthiest and most affluent people in the Earth could travel anywhere ... and even then, it was a several week or month journey where the odds of you losing your life were relatively high. I still think it's a major shock to the collective human psyche if such a thing exists..

07-10-2008, 08:21 PM	#12
Mike Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 489	Drilling in Alaska, though, is not the solution. We have to accept more changes and deregulate the industry. We have to drop silly myths about oil companies and government, get rid of the idea of "windfall taxes," drain our strategic oil reserve, tap ANWR, drop sulfur restrictions, end energy-based grain subsidies, begin drilling for shale oil (which has been economically viable since gas hit the $2.80+/- mark) drop food exporting tarifs/limits, and stop letting our emotions get the better of our economic sense.

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