Dumb ass Cali fools. Jacko is found Not Guilty... WTF

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Plain Old Jane

okay, all i hear is "im a tool and bush rools."
omigawd, jay kay, i lurve you mikey.

Ok? Typical, you can only see this as "Jep vs. Bush bi-proxy."

as much as I'd like to say that that isnt true, it is to some extent, tho if we were all living in the same conditions (communism!) the problem would be clearly visible, nature or nurture.

... communism has nothing to do with it. It's like saying "If we were all millionaires (COMMUNISM!) then everything would be great!" Falsely associating communism with something good does not make communism good.

But it's proven that its easier to change one self rather than the environment, so we all have to keep fucking eachother til we're all the same color.

(same reason terraforming mars is unconventional, it'd be easier to teach humans to breath methane, benzene, CO, and the small amount of O2 in the air there.)

Haven't we already realized that it's not a race issue? You said "Obviously there's more cops in Oakland than Sunnydale." If a white person in an alley in Oakland is shooting crack there's a higher likelihood that he'll be arrested than a black person shooting crack in his house in Sunnydale. Its just that more Black people, by way of their economic situation, tend to live in Oakland, not Sunnydale.

And it's nothing like Mars, but if you'd like to continue to bring up obscur points that do nothing but muddle your arguments, feel free. if your points cannot justify themselves with realistic examples, then they are probably not good points.

Thats like saying (if it were 70 ad) that since christians keep getting fed to lions that its not going to catch on. and to promote it at all would be a complete waste of time.

Um, no, it's nothing like saying that. Communism has obviously caught on, because there are millions of people who seek to defend it despite the horror that has been self-inflicted by every political system that has ever employed it as the focus of their economic system. The question isn't about "what will catch on," it is about what is good and what is bad. Christianity was OBVIOUSLY bad in 70 ad because you would be ostracized and often murdered for being a Christian--but you were not murdered by Christians, but rather Jews and Romans. 70 AD is probably a bad time to make your point though, because it was when the Romans began to sac every religion that was not Roman in the empire ... starting with Judaism after the second book of Maccabees. You'll be hard pressed to find the earliest Christians murdering other Christians, or murdering anybody. That is not the case for Communism and Socialism.

(fun factoid: the image of christ was in many ways inspired by the image of zeus)

Fun Factoid: You're wrong. Many people think that the idea of Christ was inspired by Mythrais, Zoroastor, or Thor who all shared tragic ends, representing themselves as self-sacrifice. Many Jews, despite contrary Jewish law, intermingled with Zoroastrians and Baalists, and borrowed their tradition (the book of Job is thought to be an ancient Zoroastrian fable). However, Christ was a man and Christians worship the Son of Man, not the image of the Son of Man (though, I have criticisms of some denominations who I believe do worship an image of the Son of Man, though it's probably not what you're thinking). Christ is nearly nothing like Zeus. In every way that you would refer to Zeus, it is in contrary to nearly every way that you would refer to Christ. If you meant Mysthrais, Zoroastor, or Thor then it is not a "fun factoid" and you're not offering something that people don't know. Anybody who has studied Christian theology knows that.

Btw, you completely missed my point about bob dylan, you should be ashamed and should commit seppuku immidiatly.

I don't know if this is for Tristan or Me ... but I really don't care. Your references to Mars, Japanese suicide practices, and pop-music make your already lax arguments weaker.