[Plain Old Jane]

Originally Posted by Mike

Ok? Typical, you can only see this as "Jep vs. Bush bi-proxy."

no, it was supposed to make you laugh.

... communism has nothing to do with it. It's like saying "If we were all millionaires (COMMUNISM!) then everything would be great!" Falsely associating communism with something good does not make communism good.

you really need to put two and two together here, I sort of assumed you'd see the long term effects of communism. I had hoped to avoid these long posts, so cummunism is defined as: Communism is an economic and political system based on the principle "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. " It stresses that the control of the means of producing economic goods in a society should reside in the hands of those who invest their labor for production. In its ideal form, social classes cease to exist, there is no coercive governmental structures, and everyone lives in abundance without supervision from a ruling class. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels popularized this theory in their 1848 Communist Manifesto.

Read as it is, capital is owned by the government and the people live with relativly the same amount of financial power as the next person, hence no social structure. We can see in our own culture, bits of communism. People who have the same amount of money live in similar environments. West Beverly people live in lavish houses, with pools and never go hungry. Po' black folks in the projects who make 300 bucks a month live in shitty holes in the sides of buildings and have hep C.

I'm saying that a communistic economy with the financial backing of a country like... saudi arabia, would be beneficial for all its citizens instead of the to and fro with capitalism.

btw, el oh el, I said cummunism up there.

Haven't we already realized that it's not a race issue? You said "Obviously there's more cops in Oakland than Sunnydale." If a white person in an alley in Oakland is shooting crack there's a higher likelihood that he'll be arrested than a black person shooting crack in his house in Sunnydale. Its just that more Black people, by way of their economic situation, tend to live in Oakland, not Sunnydale.

I was agreeing with you... dip shit...

And it's nothing like Mars, but if you'd like to continue to bring up obscur points that do nothing but muddle your arguments, feel free. if your points cannot justify themselves with realistic examples, then they are probably not good points.

HOWEVER, race is not a prereq for future actions, the problem lies in people who think it is, racists. So instead of changing racists, change the race. I say that cuz I think its right and I'd really like to date an eskimo.

Take microbiology or something, and you'll see that its easier to have bacteria (through micro pilli or translocation of genetic material) feed on the calcium casienate in milk plates than to have a continuous source of glucose dripped on the plate and then hire someone to make sure the osmotic pressure doesnt lyse everything. It costs more to change the environment then to change the inhabitants. thats my point.

Um, no, it's nothing like saying that. Communism has obviously caught on, because there are millions of people who seek to defend it despite the horror that has been self-inflicted by every political system that has ever employed it as the focus of their economic system. The question isn't about "what will catch on," it is about what is good and what is bad. Christianity was OBVIOUSLY bad in 70 ad because you would be ostracized and often murdered for being a Christian--but you were not murdered by Christians, but rather Jews and Romans. 70 AD is probably a bad time to make your point though, because it was when the Romans began to sac every religion that was not Roman in the empire ... starting with Judaism after the second book of Maccabees. You'll be hard pressed to find the earliest Christians murdering other Christians, or murdering anybody. That is not the case for Communism and Socialism.

i didnt say christians murdered christians, tho they do plenty of that now.
so you're saying the ideals are to blame for communisms downfall?
can I see a study on that, pooky?

Fun Factoid: You're wrong.

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I said the image, the ideals are made up by the people, and they imprint them on their messiahs or rather their views of their messiahs, not the other way around.

Jee-Zeus Christ ::laughs::
I'm so not using this as a reason, I just find it funny.

[seriousness]Though all these crap religions that have ties to messiahs and all powerful gods and commandments and precepts, books, floods, and all manners of other BS have their roots in the crib of humanity and all the wars and persecutions that took place 4000 years ago. you can trace the flood stories of most religions back to babylons libraries and babylons conquering ofall the tribes and monarchies there, you can trace the idea of Sons Of God back to zoroastrainism. you can trace the idea of holy war way the fuck back, to even before zoroastrainism cuz zealots cant stand the fact that everyone doesnt think like them. and before you ask me to prove it, why dont you start coming up with reasons why my reasons are bunk instead of asking me to prove them all the time, sometimes you can be really annoying.[/seriousness]

so yea, eskimos're hawt...

I don't know if this is for Tristan or Me ... but I really don't care. Your references to Mars, Japanese suicide practices, and pop-music make your already lax arguments weaker.

I wasnt making an arguement, just saying my views but you always seem to take them so seriously, I wasnt looking for a fight, I just wanted to add my input and perhaps make someone chuckle, but if you're anti-chuckle we can fight right now!

in all honesty, i dont care about jacko, i dont care about christianity, i dont care about communism, and i dont care that you disagree with everything i say just cuz I'm the one saying it. you gotta lotta growing up to do.