do you mean like coming up with a beautiful interface concept in your head, or taking a beautiful concept and actually getting it to work out in gtk?
i think i am moving along quite nicely. i was able to add the "quit" button at the one part with no problem, and now i realize that i didn't have to declare GtkWidged *quitbutton, because the *button that was already declared can be used to make any new button!
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