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yeah the thing with pypanel and obconf is that they just should work. and when you are planning on writing a script that installs those, it's kind of a pain in the ass to have to fix someone else's mistake.
as for arch, i agree. i don't mind so much having to configure gnome or whatever to my liking, but i just don't understand why i actually have to do so much. i know they keep a KISS philosophy, but still... if i install a daemon, such as GDM, why wouldn't i want it in the daemons list in rc.conf? there are little things here and there too that should be more automated. plus, arch doesn't really follow a standard linux setup anyways, so it's not really an all purpose learning tool.
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